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kcgb asked AerialGuitar264 commented

Looks like DRM has been cracked, fix coming?

Title says it all

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N6722C avatar image N6722C commented ·

Why so many LIKES ??? It really is NOT a good thing !!


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mamudesign avatar image mamudesign N6722C commented ·
The more likes are likely to give more "attention" to the topic (the MSDS franchise seem to love "votes")



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FlyingRaccoon answered Alessandro_Simultech commented

Hello everyone.

I can't tell how and when it be fixed at the moment but a lot of people are working on this as we speak.

Regards,
Sylvain

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Alessandro_Simultech avatar image Alessandro_Simultech commented ·

Hello,

At the moment, is a product published on the PC marketplace (SU10 simulator version) unprotected as before, or has some countermeasure been taken?


Thank you for your answer (I understand that it is inconvenient).


Regards.



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Simulacion_Extrema answered Simulacion_Extrema edited

I am attentive to this topic. DRM breaking is very critical. It greatly affects our work. The pirate pages are saturating their servers with visits.

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gviso answered gviso edited

esto fue un gran problema para los desarrolladores y sus equipos de trabajo , deberian considerar la opcion de otros simuladores de distintos rubros, el simulador solo debe aceptar escenarios comprados en el market oficiales. Mínimo en modo Online . Muchos equipos se han visto afectados economicamente monetariamente, muchas horas de trabajo tirados a la basura , quizas por gran error y descuido.



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N6722C answered N6722C edited

@FlyingRaccoon

Is there way in JS (ie Not WASM) to tell in a Mod to an Asobo Premium/Deluxe Plane, if that plane is still DRM protected, as opposed to one that has had it's DRM removed. ?

Reason: To prevent a legitimate (non Marketplace) Mod for a Asobo Premium/Deluxe plane from running on DSM Cracked Planes.


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virtuali answered

Why not doing something like in the good old days of the original Xbox ?

Consider users with pirated copies of Marketplace products like cheaters, and ban them from all online services in the sim. No real weather, no real AI, no multiplayer, no Bing, no Photogrammetry. nothing...

Back then, when modchips for the original Xbox started to appear, if you were found online with a modified console, your console was completely banned from any online service, forever.

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ErDebugger answered rotornut44 commented

What a pirate website is doing is incomprehensible. For months I have informed Asobo/Microsoft of the existence of a website that publishes everything as soon as it is published and it still hasn't stopped. I don't understand why that website is not blocked. The affected developers are working for free so that these pirates pirate our work.

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rotornut44 avatar image rotornut44 commented ·
Said website and whoever is behind it knows what they are doing (in a sense), as all of the services they use from domain, to web/file hosting, dns, email, etc is all done in a smart way with no real trace left behind. Even their website is pretty buttoned up, for being wordpress based.. All of the services pretty much refuse to act on any issue regarding piracy/copyright unless you can provide solid legal proof. Even then, some just choose to look the other way because they are located in a country where they can.


Piracy has been around for a long time in the flightsim community, as with many modable games (ATS, ETS, etc). One place gets taken down, then just give it another month or two..

What ticks me off the most though isn't the fact that the products we rely on for income, be it full-time or supplemental, and dedicate so much time to making, are being openly distributed, but the fact that said website is earning revenue from those downloading them.

We've already been kicked in the gut, but that's an additional spit in the face.

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ErDebugger answered

Not only must each product be better protected, but the police and judicial authorities should arrest the person responsible and block that website.


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N6722C answered Simbol commented

In the meantime, something like an (A:IS DRM, bool) might go some way to at least allow Devs to prevent their now Legal Mod of a DRM protected plane, to run in a Cracked DRM plane, and discourage those that download DRM Cracked planes from these Pirate websites.

ie Some way to detect , supported in JS ideally, if a Plane has any .fsarcive files ?


Upsetting, that just ONE DAY, after releasing our C172 Classic Enhansemnt Mod, (that should only Mod and run on legal Preminim/Deluxe SRM protected planes), that not only was our Mod up on these Pirate sites, but also, on these sites, are Fully Cracked Premium / Deluxe planes ..., so both Microsoft and us are being pirated !!

One of the positive side effect from us producing a Mod for a Premium/Deluxe plane, was that it encourages players to purchase the Premium/Deluxe Version, or in many cases UPGRADE.
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Now this upgrade / sale for Microsoft, of Premium/deluxe planes , is now lost, since the Cracked planes are now freely available on these pirate sites. !!





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Simbol avatar image Simbol commented ·
Futile effort, they will modify the JS or .xml we put since it is clear text.. this would not help at all.
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N6722C avatar image N6722C Simbol commented ·
Thats assuming you have your JS in Clear text, and then how you hide the testing....

Agreed, not totally secure, but enough to slow them down, and frustrate them, in the hope they move on to easier pickings.!!


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runshotgun avatar image runshotgun N6722C commented ·

Not sure how much it would frustrate them. Those people are driven by challenges.

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Simulacion_Extrema answered Simbol commented

However, there have been reports of SIMONCITO PLAZA injecting spyware into packages to steal accounts. If you didn't know, find out, there are several pirate MUPPETS who have lost their Facebook accounts, twitter and others because they go down pirate airports and planes. There are many Youtubers who brag about buying planes or airports and they are really pirated copies.

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RXP avatar image RXP commented ·
I wouldn't be surprised pirate are distributing infected copies, however, how could they do so with an FS2020 add-on since the only running code is either sandboxed WASM, or sandboxed JS, supposedly sandboxed for protection?
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Simbol avatar image Simbol RXP commented ·
they put payloads on the .zip.. image files that loads with the package, inside documentation files that are shipped with the package, they also take advantage of utilities with external exe's to this purpose.. they are incredible clever.. not everything needs an EXE these days to exploit a machine.. a simple code in JS to open a backdoor in your firewall is enough to allow them get inside your system and infect your PC with malware.


JS is sandboxed with coherent, but you are able to load Iframes, access images from url sources, and many more elements and behaviours inherited with hmtl / js.


R.

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vpilot answered N6722C commented

It is incredible that some of us who are selling exclusively in the marketplace are being affected by this now. We still have no response as to why DRM was broken.

Suggestions:

  • Backing up what virtuali said, Microsoft/Asobo should make the simulator like American Truck Simulator. If the user does not buy the DLC or addons from the official source, then this user cannot play or have online services.
  • Make 3rd party stores like simmarket, aerosoft, etc, sell you a claim code, that you can type in the markeplace to claim an specific product. Just like when you buy a code in amazon for a game, but you do not get the files, you go claim it in the official store (XBOX, EA, PSN, etc)
  • Add something in the sim code, to block packages from the community folder that are known to be exclusive from the marketplace. This way if the person downloads a pirated copy, it simply will not work.
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N6722C avatar image N6722C commented ·

"We still have no response as to why DRM was broken. "

The why is a mute point .. what is more critical, is WHEN it will be fixed, and with a stronger encryption method... its probably not the first time this has happened ...?

At the end of the day, it's Microsoft who need to get this resolved, hopefully in a way it does not happen again..


We (and especially the hackers) do not need details, just to be assured it is FIXED.

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Crunchmeister avatar image Crunchmeister N6722C commented ·
Unfortunately, it will happen again at some point. That's the nature of copy protection and piracy. It's a constant back and forth tradeoff.


I'm still impressed it took 2+ years for this to happen. That speaks volumes to how well it was done initially.

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rotornut44 avatar image rotornut44 commented ·

Although it could be an effective method, wouldn't it ruin the possibility of freeware? Especially with freeware still not being widely accepted an marketplace. Kill the freeware and you kill a major part of the sim.

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N6722C avatar image N6722C rotornut44 commented ·
Can one assume , that one reason for the delay in SU10, is the design & intriducton of a new DRM security into both MSFS clientt, MS servers, as well as all the products on the marketplace ??

Would this alo account for the current low number of new or updated Ms-Store products beung launched ?


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