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[Bushtrip] Glider with Towplane - No WingRunner

Hi

A client of mine is currently experimenting with Gliders and Tow-Planes in missions/bushtrip.

The Tow-Plane appears, the Glider is connected, but we don't get a WingRunner.

When the Tow-Plane starts, it jumps briefly on the runway (it looks like the tow is going to break :) ), then leaves it regularly via a taxiway.

I will post a sample mission as a comment in a moment.

What did we miss and which things do we have to set to make the WingRunner appear and glider missions possible.

Thank you very much in advance,
BuffyGC

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Yoanito answered B21 commented

Hello @BuffyGC

After some investigation, we have found the issue & it will be corrected in future updates, if you need a quick fix we can try to find a way to modify the xml to make it work but it will only be a temporary solution while we wait for the official fix.

Best regards,
Yohan

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BuffyGC avatar image BuffyGC commented ·

Hi @Yoanito,

thank you, I appreciate this very much.

If you can tell us what to change in the xml (or append the modified xml in private), I can pass this to the user. As far as I know, this is the only limitation of the client to publish the mission.

I have not checked this issue with a winch takeoff so far and need to leave now. Would you happen to double-check this for the winch T/O, too?

Thanks again,
BuffyGC

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B21 avatar image B21 BuffyGC commented ·
I'm interested in this issue. Did you check the glider is connected via the TOW_CONNECTION simvar? Also did the glider remain wings-level? The movement of the tow plane seems to suggest MSFS didn't think it was connected - is it clear it moved due to the rudder waggle or could it have taxied after the usual delay after release?
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CozyPilot answered

I am a real life 250 hour glider pilot who has never had an issue with an aerotow in any glider. In the sim I have crashed dozens of times. I have never seen a wing runner and part of the issue is the glider drags a wingtip and goes out of control. Also the default gliders do act as if they don't have proper, or adequate, aileron control at low speed above wing runner speed.

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Yoanito answered BuffyGC commented

Hello @B21

I'm sorry, we did answer the issue but it is in private so I will resume it here, if @BuffyGC can validate this answer it would be perfect.

The issue was caused because of the imperceptible teleportation between the INTRO state and the BUSHTRIP state, the tow plane believe the glider has been launched and cut the cable before leaving. It is totally from our side and will be fixed in a future update.

By investigating this issue I've came across another issue, if you're making a bushtrip with a glider, you need to set as the departure Runway, the runway that is selected by default if you select the airport on the world map, it is also tracked from our side and will be fixed in a future update.

Best Regards,
Yohan

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BuffyGC avatar image BuffyGC commented ·

Apologies @B21, I did no recognize, the discussion with @Yoanito is private.

I can confirm the issue with the FlowState "INTRO" preventing the WingRunner to appear. Moving those actions to the flow state "BUSHTRIP" brings the WinRummer to the glider (Of course with all side-effects if the FlowState INTRO is missing).

But I cannot confirm the runway-issue to be solved when using the default runway. Currently, I don't get the tow-plane to depart, nor for Leg1 neighter a later leg., I need more time for further investigation for this (just not this week).

Maybe we need to wait, until all the issues are fixed.

BuffyGC

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Yoanito avatar image Yoanito BuffyGC commented ·
Hello @BuffyGC


It was working on my side but if you tell me that the tow-plane is not taking off for you I will investigate further. I will come back as soon as I know more.

Best regards,
Yohan

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BuffyGC avatar image BuffyGC Yoanito commented ·
Please wait with further investigation @Yoanito.

I want to double check all settings first.

Thank you,
BuffyGC

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