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How to properly implement MARS in MSFS2020?

Hello,


MARS, Multiple Aircraft Ramp System, is used widely in Turkiye. Especially in Istanbul, this is crucial. It doubles the terminal gate capacity. Question is:

1- How to properly implement this system in MSFS 2020 sceneries?

Is putting 2 mediums and 1 heavy at the same spot enough? Example picture below. What is the correct way to achieve this? (Satellite image attached below)

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2- How to achieve this behaviour with the jetways? As it can be seen from the satellite image above, when there is a widebody parked at main gate, both jetways are connected. When 2 narrowbody/mediums are parked at L and R respectively, one jetway per aircraft is used. Is there a way to achieve this behaviour in MSFS 2020?


Thank you.

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Boris_ answered cptalpdeniz commented

Hello @cptalpdeniz ,

Such a system is not possible.

Also be aware that you will have spawn and airport services issues when taxiparkings overlap.



Regards,
Boris

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cptalpdeniz avatar image cptalpdeniz commented ·

Hello Boris,

Thank you for the response. We are looking for this for more online and network flights (for example VATSIM) so overlapping AI traffic etc. is not a problem. But I do not think there is a way to connect the jetways to more than 1 gates?


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Boris_ avatar image Boris_ ♦♦ cptalpdeniz commented ·

Hii @cptalpdeniz , each jetway is attached to a specific gate so I'm afraid it's not possible.

However I saw that you have created an idea and it's the right thing to do ;)

Regards,
Boris

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cptalpdeniz avatar image cptalpdeniz Boris_ ♦♦ commented ·
Now the only thing we need is the scenery developers to see and vote on it :D
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xavios answered cptalpdeniz commented

Hellot01-t03.png@cptalpdeniz:you can do that rather easily *but* the problem is that you will lack a jetway at a certain point and so you will have to add one (or two).
The example below is inherited from real life although these parking have been since renamed.
You have here three parking overlapping. T02 is for Heavies (or Mediums) and T01/ T03 for Smalls-radius 18. Three gates but two jetways: one for each smalls T01 and T03. One for the Heavy T02.
The good news is that MSFS has brought a new feature: when one parking is occupied, the adjacent one(s) won't be allocated if their radii overlap. The dashed circle is -alas- considered as a wingspan and so a radius per se.
If one "big" is in the middle parking then the two "small" shall remain empty and vice versa- although only one small will prevent the big to dock in your case.
According to what you show, the solution would be to create two additional jetways to dock to the two Small gates aside the Heavy one.
I believe you are working on LTFM Airport and I just discovered that this airport is not in the MSFS database!
Now there are two problems from what I see:
Firstly MSFS (and his daddy FSX) doesn't support any letters after the gate number ( A10L/A10R), you then should have to create two extra gates with fictitious numbers ie A101/A102 or whatever to have MSFS handling the thing. Then you add a jetway for each one. You will then have your 3 jetways for your 3 gates.
But but but...
With this darn double radius logic, considering what I see, the three gates are too close and...only one small aircraft will dock, not even two...
The only solution IMHO is not to bother yourself and to put only one Gate Heavy.
Again this radius system is a pain in the foot but we have to bear with it...
For your airport, it is frustrating because in GE the distance between the two centrelines is 41 meters and suits perfectly to the situation... except for MSFS...
Hope it helps.
Good luck!
Xavier.
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cptalpdeniz avatar image cptalpdeniz commented ·
Hello Xavier,

Thank you for your suggestion however unfortunately it's not helpful. First of all, creating additional jetway is not realistic and something we would never do. Second thing is the L-R thing actually can be done and is being done in some sceneries. Even SceneryTR - Istanbul does it as well. The big issue is the ability to attach the jetway to more than 1 gate. If this can be fixed, we have a huge start.


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xavios answered

Sorry I could not help you but your answer is very helpful to me! Indeed I did not know about the L/R feature that is supported in MSFS. Very good news indeed. I have a solution for your jetway attached to more than one gate but I'm afraid you might differ.

Considering that the gates have different numbers you may add a jetway to the Heavy and attach the jetway link and jetway end exactly at the same position/heading than the one used for one Small. In this case the double jetways system is not visible except when one will dock to the heavy and the other -almost the same- will dock to the Small. It's (almost) the "same" jetway for two gates. When they are both retracted it will be unnoticeable.

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