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Simbol asked luklew answered

SU7 Build Project is totally broken

Hi All,

The SU7 Build project system is pretty much broken and unworkable, number 1 now it takes 3 to 5 times longer to build anything in comparison with SU6.

Second, despite of setting all assistance options to TRUE to LIFE saving it, restarting the Sim, etc. every time I build a project it resets all the settings back to all assistance options enabled!. This is incredible frustrating since I need all setting true to life, why is it reverting this? and how are we supposed to test our projects correctly with this issue?. Now to test things, I have to continuing hit rebuild.. wait 3 to 5 times longer.. then open the assistance menu, save all back to true to life.. close the ATC menu (which opens auto after).. close the checklist menu.. retest, repeat.. do you guys reilase the amount of time we waste on this??

Third the aircraft editor is disabling all camera and input controls.. making it imposible to adjust anything.. having to close the AC editor and opening it again every time to be able to change the angle of my camera defeats the purpose of this tool.. placing a single light now takes 10 times longer!

Guys, what is happening? our developing time is being increased by months with such failed developing tools, we need them to work nice and sharp.. this is a bit too crazy.. I am beyond frustrated this morning to say the very least.

Can I get some assistance please to at least force my settings to stay as true to life always?

Regards,
Simbol

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EPellissier answered virtuali commented

Hi there,

Apologies for these issues, here is what we can say about them:

1/ I am not aware of anything added to the build process that could extend build times in such a way - I am wondering if it could be linked to unmounting & mounting packages rather than building them. This is under investigation.

2/ We managed to reproduce the Assistance issue thanks to your repro steps and will identify & fix asap.

3/ The Aircraft Editor problem has already been fixed on our end. I don't have an ETA yet but will get back to you as soon as I do.

Best regards,

Eric / Asobo

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Hi Eric,


Thank you, the most pressing issue is the Assistance not been keep.. if there is anything I can do on my side to fix it please let me know.

I appreciate your prompt response today, I am hoping to be able to at least keep my productivity speed as what it was with SU6.. the assistance problem is currently really slowing me down.. maybe re-installing SDK 15.0 could help? or is this related to the internal build in SU7?

Thanks,
S.

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I am afraid the issue is linked to SU7 itself but I'll confirm as soon as I can and see if some workaround can be used.

Best regards,

Eric / Asobo

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Hi Eric,


Thanks I will keep an eye on this post then..

S.

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Hi Eric,

It's possible the longer build times ( at least the first build ) could be related to this problem I reported last week, which seems to have gone unnoticed:

https://devsupport.flightsimulator.com/questions/3835/textures-rebuilt-automatically-due-to-changed-glft.html

The first build can be very long, because instead of reusing any un-changed .DDS textures in the "Packages" subfolder inside the main folder, it's rebuilding in a new folder one level above, in the root of the Project file so, regardless if textures are changed or not, it's always rebuilding all of them their .PNG sources.

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devmode_player answered EPellissier commented

Is there any way to get back live update functionality for landmark simobjects( e.g. jetways) without having to restart the simulator?


previously I've used teleport to far away location to get simobject updated, but after SU7 it causes random CTDs without any messages


thanks

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Please create a specific question for this topic, this is not directly related to the original question.

Best regards,

Eric / Asobo

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SFSimsDev answered

Can I add to this that fspackagetool.exe does not add the MarketplaceData to the output anymore either. Is there a switch for fspackagetool to force it back in? - Happy to raise a separate ticket if needed.

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DORRAGER answered superspud commented

I have noticed the build package time is only ever long the first time you click build when it usually list things unrelated to the project. If you clear console then click build again it is as quick as it ever was.

As for the Assistance issue, I am currently working on some race course's and the assists being turned back on is a massive issue, as I need to be able to make adjustments to the course and then try it on the fly. Now to test it properly I will have to hope I got any changes correct then save/build, quit the sim, add to the community folder then try it out that way. Then if a change is wrong I will have to do that over and over again.

I seriously hope this issue can be quickly fixed and an update sent out asap.


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Same for me. The first build took ages. After that it's been fine.


The assistance thing is unbearabe and incurable. I hope there's a very quick fix for this and other things.

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EPellissier answered DORRAGER commented

FYI, the Assistance reset issue has been fixed on our end too - again no ETA yet but we will keep you posted as soon as we know more. The building times (and other issues you may have reported) are still under investigation.

Again, apologies for all the trouble.

Best regards,

Eric / Asobo

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Excellent glad you found the issue hopefully won't have to wait to long for the fix to be sent out.
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Are we going to see a fix for the assistance settings resetting any time soon. it's driving me mad every time I come out of a project in dev mode and starting sim again the assistance settings are all getting reset.
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felipcfs answered

Dude, just push the dam update, are we gonna have to wait for this for how much longer? Unfortunately the majority of the community that are desperate for good planes to arrive for this sim aren't aware of those issues plaguing the development. I just wonder if big addon developers are affected by this as much as we are.

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HybridNZ answered HybridNZ edited

Hi, now we've had some time to take a proper look at this I think we've found what the problem is with the extended build times.

The compiler is literally re-writing all texture files from scratch every time you re-build.

We have noticed this with two separate payware airports we are working on at the moment.
It seems something in the compiler's way it handles delta file updates is either broken or missing in the new SDK.

I agree with others its a real issue especially in a collaborative environment as it means the new project has to be sync every time a build is done instead of just the delta files that have changed.

Would be good if you could look into restoring delta file updates when building the package.

Here you can see a list of all file date and time being changed instead of only newer files.

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Happy to provide more information if needed

Cheers

Josh

NZA Simulations


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MV-JimStewart answered

Just chiming in here to state that we're EAGERLY looking forward to the issues raised in this post being fixed. The long build times along with the assistance bug are definitely having an impact on productivity.

Jim
Milviz

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felipcfs answered

10 days and still nothing from them. I've must have reselected the assistance options to "hard" a million times by now. C'mon Asobo, you can fix it.

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Nirgal2776 answered

i don't have any issue with building scenery projects, (not huge ones so same performance as before) but it is true assistance options back to easy at each build (or near) is very annoying.

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