ASOBO_HANDLING_Longitudinal_Lateral_Trim_Template cannot be used twice and has faulty tooltip

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Bug description:
When trying to implement the xml template ASOBO_HANDLING_Longitudinal_Lateral_Trim_Template into MSFS24 I came across two aspects.

The first thing is the tooltip description. The current tooltip reads “Yaw/pitch trim”. Since this template is meant for trimming a helicopter cyclic stick it should either be named “Roll/pitch trim” or “Lateral/longitudinal trim”. For users who are new to helicopters and use the tooltips as assistance, this would be important to avoid confusion. The current tooltip could lead to the impression that the tailrotor pedals can be trimmed via the 4 way switch on the stick.
Since the template was originally created for MSFS20, I had a user confirm for me that the tooltip is faulty in MSFS20 as well and not only when using the template in MSFS24.

The second and more problematic situation I am facing is the following. I am trying to use the template twice. Once on the pilot stick and once on the copilot stick. I made sure to keep my xml fully on MSFS20 standard and haven´t done any mixing with EX1 templates that could cause problems. On top of that I made sure to rename all relevant parameters in the copilot template so it can be recognized as being separate. Inside the sim however this leads to a big problem. The stick is constantly being trimmed to the left without any trim input from my side. The only way to avoid this is to use the template only once.
When looking into the MSFS20 Cabri xml I noticed that the template was used twice, however the second template has been commented out, probably for the same reason that I had to comment out mine.
I cannot not confirm if using the template twice fails in MSFS20 as well. My goal is to use it in MSFS24, which is why I created this report for MSFS24.

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Hello @b1e1n7e

Legacy templates are not going to be updated.
So there are 2 options for you:

  • Make your own copy of the 2020 templates that you modify in order to address the 2 issues you have mentioned

  • Move your components to the new ASOBO_IT_Joystick_Template for these interactions, in a dedicated xml file that you can then include in your regular behavior file to avoid mixing legacy and EX1 templates in a single file.
    This template addresses the issues you have mentioned.

If you want to have a single 2020 package for both platform, you’ll have to stick to option 1.

Regards,
Sylvain

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Hey Sylvain,

would you be so kind and let me know where the full 2020 template is located?
I was not successful when trying to locate it, just found the final “use template” reference in the cabri xml.

This a cascade of templates rather than a single one, but you can start from C:\MSFS 2024 SDK\ModelBehaviorDefs\Asobo\Common\Handling.xml
It declares the ASOBO_HANDLING_Longitudinal_Lateral_Trim_Template template.

Regards,
Sylvain

@b1e1n7e Adding that you should indeed rename any templates you copy and modify to avoid any compatibility issues caused by overriding the default templates.

Regards,
Sylvain

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So if I copy the full template definition of the template from the handling.xml into my own xml, I can then use the template within that same xml if I just include the “use template” section right below the template definition?
To be able to use it twice I would then create two copys with unique name?

Yes

You can use it as many times as you want.
The renaming is so that other packages using that template are not impacted by your modifications.

Regards,
Sylvain

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The reason I was thinking about two copys is that using the Asobo template twice had not worked, but two copys will solve that?

I don’t think so, you’ll have to modify it or/and its subtemplates to resolve this.
Likely edit the IE_NAME and TOOLTIP elements.

Regards,
Sylvain

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Hey Sylvain,
I was able to find a custom solution, thank you very much for your help.

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